Bialaddin MkI bowl fire

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  1. presscall

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    Complete, with the alloy exhaust block and the correct guard, but with some jobs to do.

    ‘Worst first’ is my general rule for fettling and it was an unsuitable exhaust pipe - a piece of copper 15mm plumbing pipe.

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    A bodge that evidently worked, but a push fit into the burner left it prone to pop out at any time. My good fortune it didn’t, and in the process lose the aluminium block a push fit on it.

    Lead soldering the copper pipe to the burner was a no-no (burner temperature would melt the solder). The temperature for ‘hard’ soldering (silbrazing) would melt the copper pipe.

    Solution was to silbraze a brass tube in its place.

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    Alloy exhaust block a push fit on it.

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    Good to have the distinctive priming cup.

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    This was my home-made take on it for THIS later model bowl fire.

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    I’ll post on the rest of the project as I progress.

    John
     
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    presscall United Kingdom Subscriber

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    Correction I’ve been referring to the air inlet components as exhaust parts.
     
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    Good repair there, John :thumbup:

    Btw, what temp of Braze rod and flux did you use?

    Cheers
     
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    Well fettled!:thumbup:
     
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    Silver-flo 55 rods coated with flux - which I prefer for the convenience of not having to make up a flux solution beforehand.

    630-660 degrees C melt apparently.

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    In terms of the melting point of the braze metal and the margin of safety for repairs to stove/lamp burner components, over on CCS I conducted a series of experiments with a thermal imaging camera to determine temperatures reached by a variety of stove burners.

    Here is the result for a Coleman Handy Gas Plant, 435 degrees C at the hottest point.

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    Thanks John, that is useful to know :thumbup:

    That thermal picture is interesting?..Does it really say that the blue flamelets are only 435 celsius?:-k
     
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    Strictly speaking, the blue flamelets themselves will be cooler because they're unburnt gas/vapour. Maximum temperature will be in the area surrounding the blue flamelets where the gas/vapour is actually burning i.e. an exothermic reaction. Remember your 1st year Science lesson on the Bunsen burner... ;) :lol:
     
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    That’s right. It figures, a silbrazed jointed piece of metal held in that flame wouldn’t part, though it would get red hot.

    In the direct flame of this large Optimus paraffin blowlamp, it’d melt (764C).

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    Well done!..I wondered who'd be the first to spot that:thumbup:

    Hum...Very interesting indeed!... I like!
     
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    55% silver costs a lot of $$ ](*,)
    Especially with the current spot prices.
     
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    Yes, Silver solder rods, they always were pricey.. :-(

    I remember my old boss saying he kept his in the airing cupboard..Why? :-k

    1. To stop moisture spoiling them...:thumbup:

    2. To prevent us from using them...:roll:
     
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    Completed bowl fire is featured HERE.

    John
     

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