Can someone tell me if the reflector with lugs for the early kl80 frame sat on the lamp gallery or if it was intended to sit on the harp frame where it widens out?
I assume it sits on the harp frame with the lugs acting as stabilisers in the same way as on an EX100 EX4-EX100-EX93
I Have built an "Early KL hanging frame from old photo's of an original KL80 and the reflector sits on the outer lip of the gallery. Unable to locate original photos I built from now ''''''''' [was of one in UK] Will down load photos of built unit when I can get computer and phone to co-operate !!!!!!! There that's better I have been doing a bit on this lately I was holding off till completed, a bit still to do Pringle has me beat (pardon the wicky substitute) (A copy of the KL80 is available from Korea)
But surely the reflector sits both on the gallery and the harp frame? If so the hole would be 4 1/4”, wouldn’t it? Is that one of shedmanSteve’s reflectors Graham? I need a pringle too.
@Jean J I would assume that the reflector on the kl80 was the same as this one one my Ex100. The hole is 5 inches so is bigger than a gallery and would have to sit on the frame.
No. With a 4 1/4" hole, the shade is well supported by the gallery as in Graham's example above and doesn't need lugs to stabilise it. Here are images of a shade with 5" hole I intend to put lugs on for my EX100. No lugs. With lugs. Obviously there's a little flex in the handle but in the main, the reflector/shade stays square-on to the burner/gallery.
Yes, a Shed Man reflector the hole is 4-1/4" as supplied it matches the original picture (I think he offered different size holes) I did some more searching on google and found this " it looks original to me" (tilley lamp kl 80 pre 1935)
@Graham P I think you're missing the point and possibly confusing the issue. Jean asks if the reflector WITH LUGS sits on the frame or on the gallery. Neither of your examples has lugs, so whilst they may look the part, they are irrelevant. In conclusion: Reflector with 5" hole AND LUGS sits on the frame. Reflector with 4.5" hole and NO LUGS sits on the gallery.
With due respect (apart from the advert Anthony showed) I have yet to see a photo of an early KL80 shade with lugs on, (they are are a lamp for which very few photos are to be found)
Fair comment but whether it's an early KL80, an EX4 or EX100 the fact remains that shades with lugs sit on the frame, those without, sit on the gallery.
Thanks boys, it’s as clear as mud! So I’ll get a 5” hole cut out of my ShedmanSteve’s reflector and then get lugs fixed. Still have to find a pringle smoke bell though. More later, hopefully.
All very interesting… I am assuming the heat deflector or pringle is made of Brass? Or would earlier ones be Copper to match the Copper ML tanks?
This is another bit of a mystery to me pb. I’ve had a few and somehow always assumed they were made of copper but had that rubbished here on CPL. Don’t know if there is some test to tell if they are brass or copper?
Jean, I have several pictures of lamps not yet cleaned up and none of the pringles show any signs of green from copper. This does not totally rule out the use of copper but it is my observation.
The Pringle (actually a hyperbolic paraboloid) heat deflector on my early KL80 is brass. Having said that, I can't swear it's the original but I'm reasonably certain it is. I can't remember ever seeing a copper Pringle, not that that means they didn't exist, naturally. Tilley weren't averse to having copper and brass together. I base that opinion on two of my three Jacobeans, one of which had a brass chalice holding a copper tank. The other had a copper chalice holding a brass tank. Based on their provenance, I'd stake my life on that being as they emerged from the factory. The third Jacobean? - that was so perfect it had all its original lacquer present and I didn't ever discover which metals the tank and chalice were made from. The three Jacobeans are gone whereas the KL80 still remains here in GL. Oh, and FWIW, there are no support lugs on my KL80 reflector...
I’m totally confused, do I need a reflector with lugs or without? Do I really need to fuss about completing my lamp, life’s too short to worry about such things, think I’ll go for a lie-down now.
Jean As I read the discussion so far, if your reflector with the lugs is able to sit on your lamp the way it is shown in Anthony’s illustration above, it’s fine. Tony @Jean J
I sympathize with you Jean but I think Henry was clear 'in conclusion' Not wishing to 'muddy the waters' further, but another reason for incorrect reflector fit on the KL80 is when the wrong length vaporiser is used. Something I have experienced myself.
Just to get an idea what it would look like, here is a EX 100 with a Tilley lamp gallery fitted. The shade has the 5 inch hole. If they used these shades on the early KL 80 it's easy to see how they realised (on later version), by reducing the hole to 41/4 inches the lugs could be done away with (saving money)
