Hi, somewhat unexpectedly I got this online, and it's been delivered to my parent's in the Netherlands. Petromax Rapid. What type and year is this? Or is it mixed parts? The tag is missing from the collar. I have more pictures but not of the bottom and I will not be able to get my hands on it until I have a chance to return to Europe! Thanks for all your input. I'm new to all this and it's somehow...addictive? Is anyone able to tell what model this is? I have one more picture showing the pump handle. Is that Petromax original or something else? It seems different from most of the pictures I have seen around this site, and has no branding.
That pre heater level is patented (DE1228575A) from 1964 -1967 so that would be the lower date. But like most parts it can be changed.
I can clearly see a bead above the pressure gauge.It can only be a tank with 4 beads (1954-1956).the carrying frame is slightly older . I also saw a Petromax in this constellation at a collector in Germany . I think it's passable that the lamp has always been composed of this components. Only the Rapid's lever was replaced because the older cast zinc one broke .
@DrZ It is a Petromax 828 (350cp) or a Petromax 829 (500cp) . They differ only in the jet and needle.The pump knob is original Petromax, early fifties.
Yes, that looks like an earlier Petromax 828 or 829 from the very early 1950s. How does the lever of the rapid preheater torch looks like? It still features the earlier vertical oblong slots on the collar/frame. The Petromax hood of this era normally appear to have almost transitioned to the modern shape/geometry. It doesn't have the two holding screws on the top cap anymore but still not exactly the same as the modern Petromax hood yet. The vent holes should be relatively more 'squarish' like the earlier models instead of more 'roundish' like the modern ones. Normally, there'd be stampings bearing the 'Petromax brand', a couple of E&G logos instead of G logos and the 'Made in Germany' on the fount. Not even a trace of those? Could those had been polished off by a previous owner?
@Reinhard Is that from the very early 1950s? Looks like it already had the G-logo? I thought the last of those with E & G logos could still be found on some founts from the very early 50s. At least, I've got one that still bears the E&G logo although I don't think its from the 1930s or 1940s. Also, the preheater lever type looks to be the later types? I thought those didn't appear until at least the early or mostly mid-1960s and later.
@MYN It is a tank with four beads 1954-1956. @DrZ presented this Petromax in two different threads.I already pointed it out there. I don't know why @DrZ opened 2 threads on this lamp at the same time. Maybe an admin can put this back together. Thanks.
Here are the two logo registration images. The logo with EG was registered in 1907, 1943 and lastly to Graetz AG Hamburg 15th January 1952. The G logo without E was registered to Graetz Hamburg 13th November 1953. It follows therefore that post WW2 production would have been stamped with the EG logo in the early 1950s and only changed for the 1954 season. ::Neil::
The components of this Petromax are made up follows : Rapid lever 1964/65 >>> Pressure vessel 1954-1956 All other components are made before 1954. Iv'e read that over the years from the difference in the components in combination with the tank scratches and numbers. I am pleased to see that my observations largely agree with the dates given in the documents . Regards, Reinhard
Aha...I see. The fount was actually from the mid-50s, not earlier. I was not aware of the other thread where DrZ posted. If it has 4 beads, then it could have been the 'sicke' fount then. The fount is certainly not from early 50s. The vertically sloted collar frame on the other hand was definitely made earlier. Same goes for the all-metal pump and knob. I would theorize that Graetz made some pretty drastic changes and re-standardization since and after 1953 on the production models in the Altena Plant.
Hi, I've only posted once, and then later placed a reply in this same thread with one more picture. Did I do something wrong with my posting?
No big deal, DrZ. You actually made two different posts with this very same lantern. We prefer to keep the same lantern under one topic, so I merged both your topics into a single one, including the conversations from both. That's why some comments in this put-together topic may seem a bit odd. Like MYN's question about how the preheater lever looks like, when you would think that he could see it in the images. But actually in the topic he did ask that, you only showed a few images, and not one where you could see the preheater well, hence his question regarding it and also Reinhards reply right after where he posted the three images. Those were taken from your other topic that MYN missed.
No big deal. I just missed some earlier pictures. Nice lantern anyway. Hope you'd get the lantern to light up, DrZ.
Thanks. I hope I will get the lantern to work, but first I need to get it in my hands! It will be a while before I expect I can make it back. I saw it online and put in a 75 euro bid, thinking someone will probably outbid me but it ended up being the winning bid. Quite lucky. My parents said something rattles around in the tank, the pump doesn't build any pressure, and "that little wheel for controlling the brightness can't be closed, it just spins freely so I think it's broken". As I understand, the control knob is supposed to turn freely.
