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  1. Piotrek

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    Dears,
    I just bought some lamp today. I will receive it in a couple of days. I do not know more about that lamp then that it looks like some Hasagish 100cp and was described as an Ancient Brass Carbide Lamp ;)
    I will know more when I get it and then I will post more pics to solve/verify the riddle.
    For now, I invite you to list your ideas as to what I bought.

    Have fun,
    Piotrek

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    Cool :thumbup:

    the glass looks interesting ;-)

    regards,
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    The glass is definitely unique :lol: I just hope to find an inner casing above that thing... Looks like there is something there, but I really do not know yet.
     
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    Looks to be a Hasag 34 from the 1930s. ::Neil::
     
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    Dears,
    Finally I got that lamp. There is no name, number, nothing on it.
    It differs from HASAG 34 in following parts:
    1. hood with top
    2. fuel cap
    3. pump knob
    4. cap for pump barrel
    5. nothing written on the tank
    6. handle attachement points at the frame
    7. glass ;)
    I wonder if that glass could actually survive the working lamp?
    There is a "3376" on the clay nozzle and "100" on the jet. Jet the same as HASAG 100cp.
    All parts brass except for inner casing.
    In general it is very similar to HASAG 34 as @Mackburner suggested, most parts are exactly the same. I can compare these lamps pretty accurate, because right now I am working on HASAG 39 table lamp and have other HASAG 34 as well.

    If anybody has any idea about that lamp origin then please share them with me.

    Maybe it is some lamp made outside of Germany under the HASAG licence, or just some no name copycat?

    all the best,
    Piotrek
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    @Piotrek

    the holes may have been to hold the nameplate??

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    see here on Leo’s lantern

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    thanks to Leo

    perhaps the very top part of the cap is to make it presentable? The vent part looks right (from here) :thumbup:
     
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  7. Piotrek

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    Below the mystery lamp compared to the most similar lamp that I own - Hasag EFAR 608 100CP SP (not complete, nor fettled yet). OK, EFAR supposed to have the red color top cap, but it does not matter. Except for differences described in my previous post, both lamps have a bit different frame top rings and Mystery is not nickel plated. Mystery lamp holes that holds the name plates are really nice looking and not bent/damaged at all - as if there was not name plate attached there in the past, but this is just my presumption.
    Mystery has hood closed from the top by additional plate and different cap. Handle assambly is clearly different.
    Typical for HASAG 34 handle assembly you can see below in that pretty, complete lamp posed by @Lampenkueche
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    To be honest I am a big fan of mystery lamps and would be honored to have one, but I will try to solve that riddle anyway :content:
    Piotrek
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    Dears,
    The lamp is done as much as I could. It screams HASAG 34, but cannot be proved that it was made by HASAG without any evidence/markings, documents etc.
    It was nickel plated before – someone removed plating without even dismantling the whole lamp – see top of the tank.
    All parts brass except that flat and horizontal plate in the hood and the pump rod. I have not seen nickel plated NRV before. NRV has the same design (rounded edges) as other NRVs that I removed from old HASAG lamps. On the picture below – nickel plated NRV from this mystery lamp and from other old HASAG in the upper part of the picture. Some other old NRV placed below for comparison - functionality the same, but less attention to detail.
    Number “2” on the back of the wheel and “3376” on the clay nozzle.

    I manage to run it on kerosene. After some time it develops a black mantle problem – the jet is old and enlarged. Wrong fuel/air mixture and to much heat for such a small lamp. No possibility to adjust the air gap in that design.
    I tried spiritus with other, even bigger jet. That part which holds the J-tube was assembled upside down and worked as an air-restrictor. I do not know if it was designed that way on purpose or fits by coincidence. It is hard to adjust the air/fuel mixture anyway. I added some washer and it worked, but tank was getting hot very quickly. I could hear gasified fuel pumped back to the tank. I did not want to risk very hot, pressurized spiritus in the tank and stopped that. The situation repeated several times while trying spiritus. There was no such a fuel backflush problem with kerosene. Interesting…
    I leave it in this condition till I get 100cp HASAG jet or manage to fix one of old jets, which is quite unlikely.

    All the best,
    Piotrek
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    This is level hard :shock:
    Now I do remember that John made stuff like that to his stoves and I considered that as a mission impossible driven by some obsession ;)
    Then I would have to make 0,1mm needles as well...
    I have several lamps with 100cp jets still waiting for fettle, so definitely worth to give it a try. I will practise on regular, common jets first.
    Thanks a lot @ROBBO55
     

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