I just got Lucky, when a friend yesterday told me he had 3 lamps for me. He didnt want to fire them up whíle he lives in a wooden house So I picked them up today. All of them is pre-WW2. This is the first I cleaned. Unfortunatly the tank has stress-crack but thats about it. According to http://0flo.com/index.php?posts/34912 Then it should be a early 828. And here the scratched date: When did they start up the productionline of the 828? Claus C
Hej Claus, Very nice item in excellent condition. Sorry for the stress crack though. Is it on the side or in the bottom? If the latter you could try to fix it without being visible too much. Actually I'm a bit confused how to read the order of the numbers on the bottom correctly. From my Aladdin-Petromax 828 which - according to some other posts here in the forum - was sold between 1937 and 1939 and numbered "9 3" I believed that the year should come first. But maybe I read the numbers wrong and they actually mean mean "9 8" instead of "9 3", which would then mean September 1938 instead of March 1939. This again would fit the scheme with the order "month year". However, "8 6" would not be plausible since the lantern was not sold in 1936. I've got the same 828 model like yours here with "4 7" on the bottom. I believe that it could be from April 1937. Or should it be July 1934? Always new questions... BR, Martin
The pre heater torch on these was patented Sept 1935 although there were a couple of earlier patents for a blow torch they are not the same type. So the lamps cannot date from 1934. As far as I am aware they were introduced in 1937 but I guess late 1936 is possible. The blow torch type wa changed in 1940. So all of the screw in valve torches like this one date from the mid to late 1930s. ::Neil::
Hi Neil, thanks for clarification. Now it sounds quite plausible to me that the numbering should always be "month - year". Could you change the title of my post in the reference gallery accordingly then (1938 instead of 1939)? BR, Martin
Thanks Martin and Neil. I have been wondering when the 828-serie started because I have seen it in all types of dresses. So there should actually be a chance to find a 828 from the lords year 1935 I guess íf I understand Neil right. What a newyears cracker to get 8) Claus C
No, he can not alter other members posts. But I can, so I have changed the year in that title as per your request.
Great lantern! I have one like this. As close as I can determine mine was made around the same time frame, about 1936 (?). Can't find any date scratched in the bottom, so I'm guessing to some extent. It did come with a Putzler glass globe, dated Oct 1936 and it is for a Petromax lantern, written right on the globe. Globes break over the years and it's almost impossible to tell if it's the original globe or not. I purchased it from a very nice guy in Holland some years ago. If the glass was in that lantern and in Holland during the War, I am surprised it survived at all! By the way, are your other two lanterns Petromax, too?
Thanks George. Whether your lamp is from 1936 it certainly have a story to tell, surviving the war and later travelling that far + arrving safe to America The 2 other lamps is almost Petromax 826 and when I say almost is because the one is a Petromax 826 all the way but the other is a franken-lamp (Frankensteins monster was made of different parts). So the fount and outerhood of the last lamp is a Petromax 826 but the carrier and innerhood is a Hasag 52. The parts looks nice but the innerhood is cut to fit by a poor guy who didnt know better Anyway it might come in handy. Claus C
Is it possible to see a Picture of your lamp George. You see the scratched numbers is made hairthin and can be very difficult to see even when the bottom of the lamp is cleaned, maybe polished. Try to take a closer look - real closer. If it is a 828 with the same preheater then the numbers should be there. Claus C
Hi Claus, I have checked and there is something there but not the same as what is on your 828 Petromax. I cannot make it out that well (old eyes) but it could be a "0" and possibly a "7", but I am not sure. I am going to polish the bottom and see what happens. WIll keep you posted.
Claus, I checked the bottom of my Petromax 828 real close and I came up with this: it looks like two sevens followed by a space and then by a six. In other words it looks like this: 77 6. Since your lantern has only two numbers I can't figure out what the two 7's are suppose to stand for. 7 July 1936 maybe??????
A pure guess but maybe those 'sevens' are actually continental 'ones' so you've got 11 6. Does that make more sense...
Hello Davis Very good point, the European version of the numeral "7" usually has a slash through it and these don't. I really wonder if these are dates at all and not just some kind of manufacturing or stock numbers....Wonder if they really worked on New Years Day (11 6 = 1 Jan 1936)??? Cheers from the North American version of Siberia!
Yes, the way they do the figure 1 in Europe is with a very long first stroke sloped upwards at a steep angle rather than the short, horizontal stroke we use in the UK (and presumably the USA) I was thinking November 1936 - eleventh month of the sixth year of the decade...
I have a flyer with a printers mark which appears to be from 1928 which includes 826. That does seen very early because the patents for this type of lantern also date from 1928 but it is perhaps just possible. This flyer is one from the Primus archive saved by Bo Ryman and is date stamped by Primus 12 Jan 1931 so there is no doubt that models 819, 821, 822, 824, 825, 826 all pre date this and were in production at least in 1930 and a printers mark of 1928 perhaps means they are first produced in late 1928 or 1929. ::Neil::
Well, UK is also in Europe, so that post is a bit confusing, but I understand that you mean continental Europe in this post too (as above). But even then I don't think you can generalize and say that they use one type of letter in continental Europe. I doubt that they all use the same type in all countries even down there. Both kinds must be present. From a Swedish point of view, the straight, simpler, horizontal stroke is the most common. Just as in the UK, and as it seems also USA.
Only because someone signed a bit of paper to that effect... ...and yes, I meant continental Europe - specifically, that part of the world where the lamp was produced.
Hello to All! Boy, did I have a brain fart!!! Sure this is a "1" "1" on the bottom, it's for NOVEMBER 1936 (maybe huh?)Three months of the year have more than one digit- October, November, and December (10, 11, and 12). I think that's correct as far as the number are concerned, it's a "11"! Gotta get more rest and stop inhaling kero fumes....
Pitu and Karli wrote about these numbers longer ago and they are normally very difficult to see, without polishing the bottom (sound wrong). The numbers seems to been made by using a template, though some rare times not, while the numbers often are so alike it would be impossible to do without a template. They are spread all over the Petromax-site and the number 1 is actually looking as a 7 without a crossbar. I gathered some of them so it is possible to Watch some of them without zapping too much around. Just for fun. http://0flo.com/index.php?threads/2698 http://0flo.com/index.php?posts/38381 The last Photo shows 11 - 5. The 5 is very difficult to see, despite polishing the bottom. Claus C
Yeah if the continent wasnt so isolated from UK then we probably would write it the same way But CPL helps us Claus C
Yes, David I must have had a brain fart. November 1936 makes perfect sense, 11 6 Must stop inhaling kero fumes and get some rest....
After reading you, just want to say that I have a cp Petromax 828 300, dated June 1939, one day many years crossed the Atlantic Ocean, and arrived in Argentina today is gleaming like newly manufactured and works perfectly. Sorry if off topic, but since so far, I feel excitement to find people like you who have the same hobby as me. Arturo.
