Hi all, I have just bought a Hipolito 502 from eBay, it is in decent condition but I'd first like to find the proper service kit for it's refurbing; before I take it all down for the full fettle. So far I've just sorted out the hood and top burner out, as well as the original glass it arrived with. Unfortunately I found that the globe glass has two very obvious scorch marks upon it; so I'd like to know if there's anyone within the forum, who have found these easy enough to polish out, using special glass paste with a Dremel mop, ect ? This is my first lamp with the rapid pre heat burner fitted, and checking out a Petromax's maintenance document I'd been kindly forwarded; leads me to see that there's much more too them than what I'm usually tinkering around on I'd not wish to be ruining parts that maybe don't need replacing, but learning about how it all works, is part & parcel of a disassembly & fettle. With the tricky components, I'll draw diagrams with notes, then play it back in reverse when I get to build back up again. It's just that I'd like to know before hand, if there's any awkward areas I should be aware of first, before beginning; one of the reasons that, why a new service kit would be good to have to one side, just in case of errors occurring, ect. A new glass, should any reader know where one could be sought; I'd really very much appreciate a nod in the right direction here, or if a deal or parts swap could be made; then do please PT me ? It's a heavier lamp than I'd expected and the parts all seem very well machined sharp ! It doesn't appear to have been used 'great guns' at all; the burner nozzle, that the mantle fits too, is just "off white" but the hood and inner parts were caked in carbon. I might be lucky and the previous owner/s only ever had a go with it a few times or so; there's a small round sticker on the base still; I'm tempted to peel it back, to see if there's a date stamp on it ? Any help or advice please, I'd be very grateful ? Thanks, Jon .
Hey Jon, Try using toothpaste on the globe. I use it on my boats glass and it works well. I can't ever recall trying to get scorch marks out but I reckon it will give it a shake.
Burn marks are nasty to remove . You might think its easy what ever you use but the glasss is under tension because of the burn . End result glass can crack anytime . just leave it as is and use till it cracks etc . Bob .
He he, Ta for that, I have to get it out some how or just keep looking at it; it's a bummer when everything else is neat enough ! As Bob say's, messing with it with out the right knowledge, would more than likely compromise the glass's integrity & possibly crack it. I'll look to see if there's one to buy, I'd been tipped that Basecamp have a supply but don't know if they've the logo impressed on the side. Oh, if ya know about the reflectors from the Petromax's 500 cp, fitting this H502; it'd be handy to know ? I have a Tilley reflector, unfinished (just steel) and though it fits, the 'real deals' are formed to settle on the hoods rim lip, just that bit further down; so the bail is able to 'one side it' (either or) & keep the bail arm directly out of the rising heat. With the Tilley one, it's locked more bolt upright and not only that, the outside diameter is short & even if chromed, it wouldn't look as nifty as the correct ones appear to do in ebay and the lamp gallery sites. Thanks for the tip, will try it on a junker, ect Jon.
Thanks for that Bob, I'll search about for a replacement but have a test play on a scruffy globe, I'm not fussed about. This is only a minor issue really, the take down fettle and rebuild, will be the main challenge ahead; I'll not rush into it, it's a really well made lamp and it needs to stay like that (just healthier with more shine, ect . ..) Cheers Jon.
Hi Jon, Maybe you've found this bit of information already, though I'd like to share: The Hipolito 502 Automatic is the continuation of the Petromax 829. Basically it's a rebranded Petromax 829 or more generally speaking it's a Petromax 500cp lamp. The good thing is that parts are interchangeable and are easily obtained online. Spare parts for a Petromax can be used to get the Hipolito back in working order. Best is to investigate your lamp carefully and do some research to see which parts are needed. In most cases the rubbers are old and have hardened over time, thus not making a seal anymore. There are 4 rubbers in this lamp: -One on the rapid preheater, -one on the inside of the fuel cap, -one down at the fuel pickup that sticks into the tank. -Edit: There's a 4th rubber in the Non Return Valve (NRV) at the bottom of the pump tube. There are different suppliers depending on where you're at on this planet, though hytta.de from Germany or olielamp.nl works well (for me). Good luck! Cheers, Peter
Hi Peter, I am sorry to be replying back a day late, I was in the thick of things and a bit swamped ! I'd only just suspected that the difference between the two lanterns was minimal; they do seem very similar lanterns, so it was settling to know that if parts are needed, then I can look online for these, headed under the Petromax's 829 model. Thanks for those tips and also the suppliers sites, proffered up As yet, I've only fettled the hood and inner burner parts and am currently 'humming and erring' about all the lower components !! The Preston generator (as well as the cage, support tray, collar & pre-heat dish) are next in line for debridling; this will all be a slow process, due to confidence levels & external interruptions abound. I think spending a full day on each of the "more technical" burner apparatus pieces, would be wise (if not longer); with there being so many separate parts included within each of these (Rapid pre-heat, then the Preston). I have a video to watch, sent kindly over by Dan in the US, it's just following it all when the lamp's downstairs and the PC room upstairs (up 'n down, up 'n down again, ect); so this will take some time & I don't want to muck it up, documenting it down to paper for order referencing, ect ! Good to know there's 4 rubbers to check over before hand, thanks ! I will look further into buying the extra parts I might need; I am in the UK, but can only say "500 for one hour" (Pedlo's/ Sea-side fun 'n games, ect) in the German language . Basecamp might also be able to help, I will see nearer time . . . It's a pity about the original glass scorch; I've checked US site in eBay & there's just one globe there for the 1 or 250 cp Hip (too short & narrow). I don't think we can paste eBay links within CPL, but there's a nice 250 going there ATM .de ! It looks nice & rare, but I'll have to sadly stay out of it; as I've just too much on already, he he. Ok, thanks again for your kind input & advice here, though this one is tough & more advanced than what I'm usually on with; I will just try to keep inching further forwards with progress. I need to see the beauty all lit up, preferably with the help of that funky Rapid jet burner . Cheers, Jon.
Hello Jon, Good to read your update and sorry for my late response. I've been running up and down the shed a few times, between the computer and the lamps/stoves .. Petromaxes (and other lamps) all work pretty much the same, so you'll get the hang of it Imho there's a learning curve at start to figure out how they work and it's all good fun. It's plain sailing when you've got it in good working condition. Then you want another one .. This post http://0flo.com/index.php?threads/7949 shows a service kit for an Optimus lantern. Hytta has similar kits: http://hytta.de/petromax/870.htm with the 4 rubber seals and lead seals and this one http://hytta.de/petromax/869.htm has the pump leather, needle and jet. Not that I'm promoting Hytta, there are other suppliers as well Basecamp has parts too and I'm sure that a Google search will give some more. The jet may give some trouble too, if the opening is enlarged. I've found this site http://light.papo-art.com/tech-n-info/Petromax_technical/restore_pmax_rebuild.html very helpful for fettling my first Petromax, because it is well-illustrated and therefore easy to follow. The Rapid needs to be clean on the inside, so fuel can flow through. It takes fuel under pressure from the fuel tank, mixes it with air and vaporizes the mixture, so it can combust. So, good luck and please shout if you need some help and someone here will respond Cheers, Peter
Hiya Peter, I remember CPL at one time, used to alert me to messages being sent to me. It would automatically come through into my e,mail server, in notification. I need to look at that again but thanks very much for the extra advice and Part supplier addresses ; I am enjoying working on the Hipolito 502 & though it won't be done 'overnight', I do aim to finish it a.s.a.p. So many jobs to do on other lamp projects too, ya see. It's interesting how all the many parts fit together so well and I'm still on with getting all these fettled soundly. They all work, as I've a scan of it in burn; I'd just much prefer to learn about its workings, then also give it a better safety "nod of the head", ect. The fount is now at the Re-chromers, so I'll have to get busy & find the right service kit; more than likely I'll just be needing all the lead washers & possibly the pressure gage cap rubber (it seems very hard & brittle). I've also to sort a reflector out, then either repair the scorch marks, or re-new for another original Hipolito globe. I don't want a Petromax sat in it; that's just not cricket . Ok, best get on. Ta for your help here; I'll re-read & go through the links again. Very helpful. Cheers, Jon .
Hiya Tony, I do not know why the message responses I have sent back with kind advice from fellow members, no longer alert me to the fact that I've a message to read. Even though I haven't altered any of the "e,mail notification settings" in the Control Panel 'Email Options', ect & can still see that those settings are correct; the messages I receive 'inbound', are seemingly still missing my Inbox folder (Windows Live Mail). Basically, what's been nicely forwarded through to me, is some how not being funnelled through from CPL servers, into my e,mail programme. The settings, as far as I can see, are as they should be Tony, it might be a fault in my PC but for quite some time now; I have had to deliberately check for inbound mails, by Signing in to CPL, so I do not miss what's been sent to me, or further details on subjects I've had a dabble in. I'll keep doing the 'checking business' for now, though this way is often a latent way of adding further 'in flux' messages back tot he sender/s. Included are some nifty scans of your own fine help, way back now; all mostly affording me the condition of this 'now' super little Australian lantern. It is now -like enough, with much thanks to you still owed. A Handi lamp is the one I'm now checking for on the horizons but I don't see too many listed in Oz eBay though. I'll keep on searching through the pages, as I just gotta find one eventually; they're real beauties ! Hopefully looking as scrumptious as the Austramax above; a lot o' work, but ultimately always worth all the effort. "It's superb now, thank you". Cheers then, Jon.
You have the box for 'Clear PT flasher' ticked under your settings. Try to un-check it. (It's under display settings in your control panel.)
Hiya, Yes, please do so Tony, I have watched quite few nice ones get zapped up, and not far all that much money , I really like 'em, they are a nice lamp with that chrome finish & the uncommon globe profile. The vents are a bit of alright as well ! I unchecked that box in the settings; hope that works now . .. Will get back to the Hipolito, when my new supplies turn up for it; it's all fettled now, I just need the fount back, after the re-chroming's been sorted out. Cheers, I'd really appreciate the nudge, should one turn up . I like 'em a lot ! Jon.
Christer, Thanks for checking this out, I unchecked that box so hopefully now it's back to how it was before; if you've a spare minute again, bang a mail back through to me, I'll know then for sure ? Jon.
