Here is my Turner Table lamp. I have called it model 800 but I am by no means sure of this. The paper we have for Turner shows Table models 800 and 850 which are pretty much the same but have a different round top tank like the lanterns. This table lamp has the same tank as used on the Brooklure lanterns and on the Sears Turner-Preway lantern. With a different tank it may be a different model or perhaps a special made for Sears and not a Turner brand at all although it was for sure made by Turner. I will show this catalogue page below. I fettled this lamp maybe 10 years ago and I remember it was difficult to dismantle so I did not try to show it in pieces. At the time it had no generator and I fitted a Coleman which I remeber worked but not well. Today I found the pricker was broken so I fitted a new Coleman T44 generator which is a tad shorter than a Turner generator but works very well. The mica globe is not correct. It was the first spare globe I laid hands on tonight when I was looking to take the photographs. ::Neil:: Edited comment. I now know this is a Sears model 07704 Gasoline table lamp sold by Sears between Spring 1935 and Fall 1938. ::Neil::
Very Stylish-Smart looking lamp Neil. Craig Seabrooks has that same fount on his lamp, instead of the rounded shoulder Middle of this page on Terry's site. http://tgmarsh.faculty.noctrl.edu/lantern/uslampsz.html Glenn
I like the style of this lamp; but obviously some more research into Turner made products is required. Perhaps some of the American collectors can find out more, Jeff.
Yes I have never seen one like the catalogue shows. The few I know of are all the same. Probably wants a chat to the US Blow Lamp guys because Turner were big in blow lamps and those guys might have paper on lamps as well. ::Neil::
Only kind I have young Jeff. Having good ideas and being right all the time are the crosses I have to bear but I do so with fortitude and humility. ::Neil::
Hi Neil, If Turner made the Brooklure lantern for Spiegel perhaps there may be images of this lamp in one of their old catalogs. Bob
Yes they may well be but I have never been able to find one of their catalogues with any lamps in. They do turn up on eBay sometimes but I am reluctant to spend cash on them withough knowing there are any items of interest to me in them. Would be good to see an ad or two of the lanterns if not the table lamp. That would give us a date for them at least. Wants research I guess and from here that will not be easy and may be impossible. ::Neil::
Well what do you know!!!! I only found this lamp in a catalogue on line. Not Speigel but Sears Roebuck in 1938. I am gob smacked to find that all and I mean ALL the Sears catalogues are available to view on line and searchable at that. Very kool stuff indeed. Mind you it is on a web site that requires a subscription and it is not cheap but I was already a subscriber to this genealogy site so I can search for free. Here is a part page from the 1938 Sears Fall catalogue which shows this Turner as their model 07704. ::Neil::
AH YES! Another puzzle piece revealed! Nice work Neil! Both of my Lind-O-Lite lamps have that number ink stamped on the bottom. Bob
Yes and the other two are Nulite I think. Got to study this stuff some yet. We always did know the Lind-O-Lite 07701 was a Sears lamp but this info will date it for us much better. I have now also got images of the Brooklure lanterns as sold by Sears. So that big chunky beast was being sold by two mail order companies possibly at the same time. Dates those to the later 1930s. Also the Turner X159 and it'cousins are mid 1930s because I have those illustrated in 1934 - 1935. Very kool stuff and will I am sure answer quite a few questions in due course. ::Neil::
Hi Neil, The ad for the "B" lamp states that it is an "instant lighting" model. Is the Nulite built Sears 520.07737 shown here instant lighting? Nulite Images from Gas Pressure Lanterns, Lamps, and Stoves The handle appears slimmer in the catalog illustration. Another model perhaps? Bob
I can't find a model 7737 in the Sears catalogues. That lamp is 7739 not 7737. I can't be certain right now because I will have to get back to Terry and ask him for info on where that 7737 model number came from. There are some variations in model numbers although in most cases there are differences which you can see. For instance at first glance the Turner above is 7704 but in 1935 it is 7700. Then on closer inspection you can see the 1935 version has only one control not two. It is very possible I have missed a lamp or two in my search of Sears catalogues. I cannot flog through all the pages as with over 600 pages twice a year that would take for ever so I am doing a text search. Got most I think because the pressure lamps are grouped on the same page and I have found pressure lamps and lanterns in both spring and fall catalogues from 1933 to 1950. Could be I need to go back further but 7700 series numbers are mid 1930s so I doubt there will be a 7737 before 1933 where I stopped for now. ::Neil::
OK I found it and yes a different model. Can't be instant because it is a kero lamp. If you go look at Terry's site again you will see he has corrected this image text. One thing I have decided with these lamps is to drop the prefixes. They are not part of the model number they just denote which depot the item is held at and possibly also include a reference to the catalogue issue. I see from the catalogues that this prefix changes with each new catalogue so it is impossibe to use that as part of the model number. ::Neil::
Hi Neil, Was the 07739 made by Akron? If so it must have a long fuel pickup and uses an "Instant Glo" generator. I wonder if its valve system incorporates this type shown in Dan Boschen's Visio cut away drawing? Akron valve cut away drawing by Dan Boschen Or it uses this type. Nulite valve cut away drawing by Dan Boschen This is what is used on the 140BG even though it's titled "Nulite". The valve body doesn't appear to have that square block like appearence of the 140-B. Though the fount and handle are very similar. Maybe it's just the illustration. Bob
Has to be Nulite because in the Sears catalogue it tells us the generator is the Nulite type with an inverted cup welded on it. Here is the Fall 1939 catalogue page showing 07739. I am still searching Sears catalogues and I have not had time yet to work out what I have discovered. What I do expect is some difficulty with who made what because some lamps are specials made only for Sears and just from the catalogue images it may not be easy to determine. Some can be sorted by the generator type but others can be tough. For instance I don't know if Turner or Preway made some of the lanterns and then Sears did not help by calling some lanterns "White Light" but theyt are clearly from at least three different makers. ::Neil::
Hi Neil, The "B" lamp in the first image I think has a misprint when it says "instant lighting". The "C" lamp in this latest image calls it a "quick lighting". These two illustrated images look the same. Both use the same number generator. So the 07739 may be a gasoline version of the 07737 shown on Terry's images. Bob
Yes I see that. Odd but it is possible. Nulite did make an Instant lighting burner but that does not use the cup type generator so I agree a misprint. Yes the lamps look the same and only differ in fuel so gasoline and kerosene versions which may be difficult to tell apart although the one on Terry's site does have the model number 07737 stamped in the base which defines the type as Kero. Going to be difficult this. The Akron lamp 07701 is shown for some time and the illustrations indicate some differences with and without the carburetor valve so I don't know if they used the same catalogue number for more than one version of it. Have to assume the cat number defines the lamp and there is only one. ::Neil::
Just a quick update here. I have today been looking at the Sears Turner table lamps and I made a mistake above. The black painted one I show here is not a Sears lamp at all. The Sears catalogues clearly state their model 7704 is painted brown not black. So that means I actually don't know what the black version is. Could be a variation of Turner 800 but equally might be a Preway or Brooklure because both used that flat top tank and Turner burners. ::Neil::
