Lumiere Noel lantern

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  1. pete sav

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    A lamp i know nothing about so any input would be welcome had it in the shed to fettle for a friend,
    the lamp is well made i thought never had a french lamp to bits before but surprised its very well engineered least that was my impression.
    The mica globe is unusual in that it wraps round the cage instead of inside as most do.
    The lamp turns the fuel off and pricks the jet by means of a little cog which places the pricker at the same time clever stuff.
    The lamp does run ok but i feel it could do better maybe a bigger mantle or cleaning the generator packing,
    Right lots of pictures anybody know anything about them maybe a date ?
    cheers pete

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  2. JEFF JOHNSON

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    A grand old lantern and it may work better with a more bulbous mantle fitted.
     
  3. Tony Press

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    That’s a very interesting lantern, Pete.

    Neil McRae has Lumière Noël in his Pressure Lamp Catalogue, but not that specific lantern.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
  4. pete sav

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    Yes Tony maybe Neil will have some input when he sees the post

    Yes Jeff a bigger mantle nearer the generator may well help and a mica so it don't lose heat so easily

    Pete
     
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    An interesting lantern and well documented, Pete. :thumbup:
    Thanks
     
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    No I don’t list this lantern and it’s not one I’ve seen before. I only have one catalogue for Lumière Noël dated 1921 and there are no lanterns shown. However the burner and pricker arrangement is very like that in their Bec Noël and the marking on the control is identical to the twin mantle lamp I do list. This catalogue is for “Incandescence par L’essence” so maybe the lanterns are kero so just not listed or maybe they were not selling a lantern before the mid 1920s. Michel will know more than I do about the company or possible successors. ::Neil::

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  7. pete sav

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    Thanks for the input Neil I just presumed it was a petrol lamp like the lilors it runs better on parrafin and the bigger mantle quite a decent light now only thing I don't like with this lamp is the control wheel so close to the top vent it is seriously hot there when you shut it down. I put a glove on now like !!
    Cheers pete
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  8. Michel

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    Hi all
    I am not at home but as far as I know this Éblouissant burner is made to run with gasoline
    the society is the Société Industrielle (SI)
    I don.t know of this lantern but i will have a look next week
     
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    Thanks Michel
    be intrested to see if you have any info on it
    pete
     
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    A very beautiful French lantern well restored, thank you for sharing this light.

    Regards,
    Titoo.
     
  11. Michel

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    @pete sav
    hello, no trace of this lamp on the catalogs I have
    But this needle cleaning system have been patented by Ernest Noël en 1908
    This "Eblouissant" burner can be seen only on the first production of the SIAE
    (Societé Industrielle d'Articles d'Eclairage)
    the SIAE have been the result of the association of many small independent producers in 1900.
    We can estimate the production of this burner, just before the war, but before december 1923 which is the date of the patent for the "new" burner called "Bec Noël"
    Bec = burner
     

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    Thankyou Michel that's very interesting that burner patented 1908 good bit of engineering design
    Cheers pete
     
  13. Michel

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    It is a good, ingenious and simple French construction ... despite certain bad thoughts :whistle::whistle::lol::lol:
    so we can say, without many risks, your lamp is from circa the first world war
     
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    Hi Pete,

    the trade mark of your lamp belongs to this French company:
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    Unfortunately I have this letter head and a picture of a hurricane laterne which was once produced by this company in my archive.

    Kind regards

    Jörg
     
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    That larger mantle does the trick.:thumbup:
     
  17. Jörg Wekenmann

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    Hello Michel,

    naturally you can see a picture of this hurricane lantern:
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    I know who owns this catalogue and will ask him if he can send me some more scans from this catalogue.

    Kind regards

    Jörg
     
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    What a great looking lantern. Some really interesting engineering compared to the more typical valve and needle mechanisms.
     
  19. pete sav

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    Yes it is a clever setup with the little cog and pricker mecho. Interestly this was patented in 1908 and a year later blanchard patented his burner with the cog and rack operating the pricker makes me wonder if he poached this idea from this ?
    Nothing to prove anything like just my rambling thoughts Scott
    Cheers pete
     

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