CQ lamp restoration questions.

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  1. NewAtThis

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    Greetings everyone.

    I was winning bidder at an estate auction for an industrial looking pressure lamp made by Coleman, which I have since found to be an early model CQ table lamp (if I understand the dating format, it is November 1928). I didn't know anything about it at the time of auction, I just liked the look, and thought it would make a great display piece.

    A friend had some old Coleman 21A mantles, and old camp fuel which we used in an attempt to test lamp. The lamp actually lit up, not very brightly, but it worked.
    I was astonished to say the least.

    I hope I haven't gotten the bug, but I have decided to try restoring the lamp for optimal operation and to as close to original look as I can. Would anyone have a parts diagram, and suggestions on locating parts for this specific model?

    I have found some good general instructions on how to disassemble a pressure lamp, but not this model in particular. Any suggestions on how to do so on this model as well as advice on must replace parts during rebuild, would be greatly appreciated.

    Jerry
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  2. phaedrus42

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    Very nice find! Not quite convinced that that is the original burner assembly, but the fount looks exceptionally good for its age.

    A Coleman 220 lantern generator may fit if that one is u/s. You may need a fuel cap seal and a pump leather seal cup but that should be all apart from cleaning out the fount and shining it up.

    A glass shade might set you back a few bob, though.
     
  3. David Shouksmith

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    Yes, it may well need some replacement parts as suggested by Phil, but just out of interest, how many pumpstrokes did you give it?
     
  4. JEFF JOHNSON

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    Welcome aboard Jerry! :thumbup:
     
  5. JEFF JOHNSON

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    Your lamp is not a CQ., Coleman used up old stock base plates on some of those ribbed tanks, your lamp is probably a 118-A, check out the link below.

    http://0flo.com/index.php?threads/4197
     
  6. loco7lamp

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    Nice lamp score :mrgreen: :thumbup: , well done :D/ :thumbup:

    Have a look at this for help.....

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    If needed PT me & i'll send the original to you :D

    Stu :mrgreen: :thumbup:
     

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  7. NewAtThis

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    Thanks to all for the warm welcome and information.

    David - 35 pumps and it ran with about half the mantle lighting up for 15 minutes before I shut it down. Still had pressure in the tank when I release the filler cap. I did one of the recommended test for fuel feed, and there is not much coming out of the tank. Will pull fuel pick up tube and check for blockage as recommended in other fettling posts.

    Jeff - you hit the mark, looks like my lamp is a 118A per the post you directed me to. Thanks.

    loco7 - I'll do so, and thanks in advance.
     
  8. NewAtThis

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    Phil

    Thanks for the tip on potential for using 220 generator. Looked it up and they are available locally and at $11.00 are worth checking out. The fount will definitely need cleaning as well as the fuel pick up.

    You weren't joking about the shade. Inexpensive reproductions are at about $50.00, and some of the originals hit the $200.00 mark. I think I'll save that for last.

    Jerry
     
  9. Neighbor Al

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    You'll need a shade holder to support your shade, and I one handy. PT me your address and I'll send it your way.

    Al
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  10. Matthew92

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    Typical, your looking for the shade and I'm looking for the Lamp. :roll: :lol: The shade didn't cost me a fortune, so I'm hoping the lamp won't either. When i find it. :thumbup:

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  11. NewAtThis

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    Nice shade. I go to auctions frequently and there is one coming up that had pictures of items in auction. This is one of them.
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    Spoke with auctioneer and he says the shade in the picture is 12 inches or less in width. It is likely a generic shade, but I think it might look nice on my 118A. I plan to check it out and possibly bid. We'll see what it goes for.
     

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    Well I was successful, of course it went right to my maximum bid allowance. This is what I went for;

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    And on a table with totally unrelated items were some GPA's, choice of items, I couldn't resist putting in a lowball bid. Uhh, I was only bidder, so I took them all. So look what all I brought home.

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    And this;

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    The CQ lamp had some raggedy mantles and clean fuel so I fired that puppy up, and it fired up, I mean fired up, cause I tried to light it like my 118A lights. Fire extinguisher blew mantles off real neatly... Will pre-heat properly next time. From info I can find, it is 1917~1919. I'll post on it after I do some further investigation and cleanup.

    The lamp with the Air-O-Lite fount is a Franken Lamp. If anyone can tell what the different components come from, I would appreciate knowing.

    The last one is also a Franken Lamp. The fount is a Pitner (Tagged 17063 on bottom) that is in pretty rough shape, and the burner assembly looks to be from a CQ, this may be worth messing with later.

    My thanks again to Neighbor Al for the lamp shade holder. With that I now have all the parts for my 118A lamp, which I still have not finished reassembling after cleanup.

    I tend to ramble on. Wether talking or typing.
    Are these posts too long?

    Jerry
     

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    Hi Jerry

    The lamp at the front has burner arrangement off a 220 by the look of it , & no doubt someone will let you know what the others are although the oil lamp with the shade is possibly an Aladdin of some sort maybe an 10/11 or earlier :-k

    The pump looks like one of Jeff's later Amish ones :D

    Stu :D :thumbup:
     
  14. Martin K.

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    Hi,
    the oil lamp should be a kind of a Rayo (made by Bradley & Hubbard in around 1905). I've got the same thingy here and it's quite bright, but develops a horrible heat & thirst. No mantle lamp, has a simple flame spreader and matador type cylinder, like shown in this post. Bradley & Hubbard also made the founts for the early Aladdin Lamps in the US, so similarities are not accidental.
    BR, Martin
     
  15. loco7lamp

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    Well done Martin :D :thumbup: , not too far away then :doh: although i think this ones been electromicated :doh: :roll:

    Stu :D :thumbup:
     
  16. JEFF JOHNSON

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    A good haul! :thumbup:
     
  17. Mackburner

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    Take the valve and burner unit off the Pitner tank and shove them on the turban fount. A Q burner on a model AA is what the factory conversions looked like. All it then needs is the bell cover to make it a complete AQ conversion. ::Neil::
     
  18. NewAtThis

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    Thanks Neil, this is exactly the kind of advice I was hoping to get.

    BTW: The valve attached to the Pitner fount was kind of loose, so I took it off and found this;
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    Thread of valve and fount must not have been even close. Wonder what they thought they were doing forcing it on like that.

    Jerry
     

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    OK so you might need a new valve for a CQ. Should be easy enough since Coleman made a few million of them. ::Neil::
     

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