Pump tube disappointment

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  1. Thomas

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    Good evening gents

    Picked up a nice looking 321A deluxe with a coleman metal carry case for 40 Canadian pesos this afternoon from a garage sale, I didn't look it over well mostly because it looked like new and also because it had caught the attention of another gentleman so I hastily purchased it. When I returned home eager to get my new acquisition up and running the pump was stuck which lead me to a discovery that made my heart sink.... the pump tube had rusted badly. This is the point l just left the lamp on the bench and went inside to drink and curse myself for not checking the pump ( I probably could have gotten it a lot cheaper ) but oh well now I have another project.

    So I have a couple ideas to fettle I want to bounce off you fine folks.

    #1 I have a brake cylinder hone that will fit in the tube, just not sure how deep the pits are and how much material I can safely remove.

    #2 Sleeving the tube with some thing like a speedi sleeve.

    I appreciate input from anyone who has had to deal with this before, I know the best repair is to replace the tube but I really don't want to damage the finish.
     

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    Toby’s proposed solution seems very promising. It isn’t as though the pump bore has to be blemish-free as in an automobile engine cylinder bore. As Toby has indicated, a well-oiled leather pump cup does its job perfectly regardless of a few surface pits. I daresay the later plastic cup washer might be less forgiving.

    What’s the date stamp on your lantern? I’m interested in a comparison of a 321A’s valve internal arrangement, compared to my 321’s HERE and HERE.

    Photos courtesy of William Klock, CCF.

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    John
     
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    That's a pity, but it should be an interesting fettle.
     
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    yup - although you took good pictures, only you will know when you remove the worst of the rust just how bad it is...
    get back on the horse... and good luck :thumbup: we are all rooting for you
     
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    I agree with @Fireexit1 that you clean the muck off and you will soon know what next to do. A small clean up with a hone may help; see how bad it is.

    I have sometimes in other but similar situations made a home made hone with a wooden dowel with a saw cut across the middle for say the top inch and then a rolled up strip of emery cloth starting with one end of the emery cloth in the slot. Then fitted to a drill and rotated in the correct direction.

    You ‘gotta’ love the challenges these things throw at us.
     
  7. Thomas

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    Thanks for the advice, I got back at it today and found more problems but eventually prevailed. The tube took a little sand paper grinding before I stuck the brake hone in and it cleaned up pretty good. Put on a new pump leather and replaced the air stem with an all brass one I had in the drawer, pumped it up and the filler cap was leaking. After a new rubber in the cap it held pressure and upon opening the control lever nothing happened..... took the frame off and removed the generator it's also a ball of rust inside. Cleaned it the best I could it will need to be replaced, look back to the font and a lake of fuel is slowly pooling around it....... the schrader valve is leaking ( the one it says not to remove in the above instructions) so I remove it and find the usual detritus. After cleaning I start reassembly and promptly drop the smallest eccentric block onto the toe of my boot which flicks it under my work bench into a sea of metal shavings, saw dust, spent primers, spiders and what ever else has crawled under there. After 10 minutes of picking up things that look like the block I finally locate it and get everything back together, try the fuel cock it works. At this point l grab the closest mantel which is a 500cp butterfly and too large for the lamp but for a test run on a pooched generator it'll do, the lamp lit fine and ran with a bit of a pulse so overall I'm happy.

    presscall the date stamp is 1 of 76, and the valve is the style without a jam nut. 20210628_133136.jpg 20210628_133223.jpg 20210628_133757.jpg 20210628_134438.jpg 20210628_135113.jpg 20210628_141612.jpg 20210628_142149.jpg 20210628_142402.jpg 20210628_144427.jpg 20210628_162239.jpg
     
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    Sounds like a sucess story - I suspect the pulsing will be down to general detritus in the tank and upstream. A little more cleaing and I think you will have a great lantern !
     

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