Hello guys First let me introduce myself. I'm Henk Kloosterman,I live in the very north of the Netherlands, province Friesland, in a small town calles Blije (or Blija) I'52 years old, married, 3 children, a dog and a cat. In fact I'm a storm lamp collector. To have some money to buy storm lamps I occasionaly buy and sell stoves and pressure lamps. Every now and then I have a find wich I want to keep but also many timres I sell them after a short or longer while. However some pressure lamps stay because of various reasons. Sunday I picked up 2 pressure lanterns. I didn't know what I bought exactly, only knew one of them was a Summit. To my supprise both lanterns were of the Summit brand I already got A Summit, like the smaller one on the pictures, but I never got that one to light properly, only 3 hours, then the burner mesh melted and that was the last time it ever lighted as it should. Both new lanterns have glass globes, The smaller one is a Pmax Indiffrent globe, to small for the lantern (needs a mica globe) The large one has a glass globe wich actualy fits. It is a German Jena globe. I think it might be original. I also think that the larger Summit is the younger one because it has a build in pump. It can be taken out completely, just like on a Tilley. I've strarted cleaning the large tank Summit. I will place more pictures when I finished the cleaning. Questions. Has anyone seen a large tank Summit of this type before? Any idea about the year of production. I know Summits are from the (mid)30s. Can anyone confirm that the glass globe is original? There is a asbestos cord in the generator, perhaps it can be used again, if not, can I use glass fiber cord instead? groetnis Henk
Hello Henk, and welcome to the forum! I regret that I don't have answers for you, but I'm confident that someone here will be able to help you out. Good luck with your lanterns! Al
Hello Henk, Welcome to the forum. Very nice lamps, can we get some pictures without the globes please?
Hallo Henk, Leuk om je hier weer te ontmoeten ! The big tank Summit is known. I have to update my Summit webpage but there are several Summit types. In fact none of them are made in Holland (as far as we know) but they are rebadged or rebranded other makes. As for the generator I would use a metal gauze as for replacement. Easier to work with and it can be cleaned.
There are four Summit models I know of and you can see one of the big tank types here http://0flo.com/index.php?threads/67 Your big tank lamp is model 266B. Models 266 are in fact Nulite Storm King lanterns although Nulite never made a big tank like these. I have one here the same and I know Wim also has one in Ede. Your small lantern is the same as model 266A but that has a built in pump so this one without will be 266C. (266B is the same but with the larger tank) The other two models are 265A and 265B. They are with the same tank types as 265 lanterns but with burner heads from Standard Licht. I agree with Wim that most of these were not made in Netherland because the Globe cages and burner parts at least are either American or German but I suspect that possibly the larger tank was Dutch made. All Summit lanterns are early to mid 1930s. Before about 1930 the owner of the brand was working in Java and did not set up the Summit business until returning to Arnhem in about 1930. We know that by about 1936 they seem to have run out of parts to make the Summit products and then began selling Petromax lamps. The built in pump pre dates any Summit lamp by ten years or more. Nulite supplied several of their lanterns with that built in pump from about 1918. So you cannot date either of these from the pump or lack of one. ::Neil::
Hello Guys Thanks for your answers and info and welcome. I will take some more pictures of the lamps. The large tank is having a clean in the "merry go round", I wil place a picture of that. The inside of this tank was very dirty. very thick layers of grey and brown dirty covered the botom. Most of it is gone now, only a part in the centre of the botom is "still dirty. To clean I poured some thinner in the tank and added some small nuts and rings and ball bearing balls. My "merry go round" will take care of the last dirt too I think/hope. When the tank is clean I will place some pictures of all the parts. groetnis Henk
Hello Today I had the first test run of the Summit large tank. It was a bit of a disappointment. The lamp burns like a torch, not what I had in mind. When it's in flames I close the valve. When I gently blow some pressed air in the air supply tube the mantle starts to glow. When I open the vale again the lamp immediatly is in flames again. It's obvious that there 's an overload of fuel. What can I do to stop this? The generator is stuffed with the asbestos cord wich was in it. Can one test a nozzle? The orifice might be worn out (very much worn out) I got the same problem with a Summit wich I already had, That's a Storm King type too. I tried different fillings in the generator. regards Henk
Hello I took the jet out of the lantern, found out that I was tightened. I tried to fit several Pmax needles, a 250 cp goes in the orifice, a 350 doesn't. This seemed hopeful. I placed the jet back in, tightened it properly this time and placed the rest back in place. I had another test run. It looks much better now although it's still far from good. There is a large flame around the mantle. I tried with more and less pressure, doesn't seem to make a difference. When I blow a little pressed air, very gently, in the air suply tube it burns good. Csan I conclude that the problem is the jet, not the filling in the generator? There more fire around the mantle then the picture shows. groetnis Henk
Henk, Do you use "wasbenzine" =white spirit (more or less) or "benzine" =gasoline. And can you trick the fuel output by raising the needle a little ?
Hello Wim I use wasbenzine/white gas. I haven't tried to influence the fuel flow with the needle. I will have another try. Some more pictures too. groetnis Henk
I'm getting confused... Wim says that Wasbenzin is the same as white spirit, but Henk says: "wasbenzine/white gas". Is wasbenzine similar to white spirit or is it similar to white gas? By the looks of the lantern, I would expect it to be designed for petrol. And I would also imagine that it could behave like your does if you try to run it on white spirit/paraffin/kerosene instead of petrol.
maybe I made a mistake but I classify wasbenzine in the same category as coleman fuel. Isn't that white gas ? I wrote white spirit, so now I am confussed too.... Spirit is alcohol, yep ? Thta it is NOT what I mean or what the lantern wants.
OK, then I get it. Thanks Wim. No, white spirit is practically the same thing as paraffin. That's why I got confused. But white gas is similar to petrol if I get it right, so if that's what wasbenzin equals, I'm sure the lantern is using the right fuel. Henk! Stupid question, I know... but I have to ask: have you cleaned the air tube? No cob webs etc.?
Hello Christer The air tube is all clean, as is all the rest of the lamp. I completely took it apart and cleaned everything. Only the valve part on the tank wouldn't come of but it wasn't neccesary to take it of for cleaning. I forgot to take pictures of the cleaned parts, the lantern was already build up when I remembered that I should have taken pictures. I took the other Summit apart yesterday. I will try the jet on this lamp. I hope this will work out. groetnis Henk
On the topic of white spirit or - gas, 'wasbenzine 'etc. I believe the latter to be an automotive fuel or similar. With the introduction of alcohol mixed into car fuels (E5 and E10 fuels) in Europe several problems arose of which rapid deterioration is one of them. Hence the appearance of fuels like Aspen which I use in my generator(s) and bush cutter, all 4-stroke Honda's which do see only irregular use. This fuel smells much like 'wasbenzine' and I am tempted to mix the latter (3 times cheaper than Aspen) in to see how that goes. Anyway, if smell is anything to go by, I would say 'wasbenzine' is close to being an automotive fuel and indeed I have been using this for an odd 35 years in my Optimus 99 stove or any other 'petrol' appliance without a problem. Mike Meijer
